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	<title>Comments on: Proposal critiques: An adventure novel, a biography and a self-help book</title>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again.
I didn&#039;t realize that the missing pieces had been found in the research when I made that suggestion.
I love Alan&#039;s suggestion.
Really sounds like a good read.

-bb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again.<br />
I didn&#8217;t realize that the missing pieces had been found in the research when I made that suggestion.<br />
I love Alan&#8217;s suggestion.<br />
Really sounds like a good read.</p>
<p>-bb</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Rinzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Rinzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

I&#039;d like to clarify that I would not actually recommend that the author fictionalize this story and make up why the healer disappeared, since it&#039;s the original research that informs the true story of this interesting forgotten man.

I suggest that one way to sustain the framework of a modern-day detective story with a step-by-step uncovering of what really happened in the past, is to use the author as the character who learns about this story in its incomplete and mythical form, then gradually uncovers the truth, piece by piece, through the narrative drama of the author&#039;s own research in the field.

Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to clarify that I would not actually recommend that the author fictionalize this story and make up why the healer disappeared, since it&#8217;s the original research that informs the true story of this interesting forgotten man.</p>
<p>I suggest that one way to sustain the framework of a modern-day detective story with a step-by-step uncovering of what really happened in the past, is to use the author as the character who learns about this story in its incomplete and mythical form, then gradually uncovers the truth, piece by piece, through the narrative drama of the author&#8217;s own research in the field.</p>
<p>Alan</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Alan Rinzler is amenable, I&#039;d like to comment on bb&#039;s point above that the story of the healer might be more successful as a novel than nonfiction--and, while doing that, I want to thank you, Alan, for your insightful comments and suggestions on the proposal.

On the question of novel vs. nonfiction, however, if the story were fictionalized and told &quot;from the inside&quot; (that is, the healer&#039;s point of view), I&#039;m doubtful that it could be an effective mystery. Mysteries, as I understand them, must be told from the outside, by an observer or investigator, and the the mystery revealed at the novel&#039;s conclusion. As Alan rightly stated, the book is a biography, but it moves forward within the framework of a modern-day detective story--a device that allows the narrator-as-detective to explore, contemplate, speculate, and analyze the healer&#039;s motives in a way that traditional biography cannot. In the end, the mystery of the healer&#039;s disappearance is solved--but only after a step-by-step, piece-by-piece, argument-by-argument journey into the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Alan Rinzler is amenable, I&#8217;d like to comment on bb&#8217;s point above that the story of the healer might be more successful as a novel than nonfiction&#8211;and, while doing that, I want to thank you, Alan, for your insightful comments and suggestions on the proposal.</p>
<p>On the question of novel vs. nonfiction, however, if the story were fictionalized and told &#8220;from the inside&#8221; (that is, the healer&#8217;s point of view), I&#8217;m doubtful that it could be an effective mystery. Mysteries, as I understand them, must be told from the outside, by an observer or investigator, and the the mystery revealed at the novel&#8217;s conclusion. As Alan rightly stated, the book is a biography, but it moves forward within the framework of a modern-day detective story&#8211;a device that allows the narrator-as-detective to explore, contemplate, speculate, and analyze the healer&#8217;s motives in a way that traditional biography cannot. In the end, the mystery of the healer&#8217;s disappearance is solved&#8211;but only after a step-by-step, piece-by-piece, argument-by-argument journey into the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzan H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzan H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 20:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These commentaries are very helpful.  They reinforce those elements need for a eye-catching query.  Please keep doing them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These commentaries are very helpful.  They reinforce those elements need for a eye-catching query.  Please keep doing them!</p>
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		<title>By: J. M. Strother</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. M. Strother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 01:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, these are great, Keep doing them! I think it is incredibly generous of you and your submitters to post these for our benefit. Love the audio format too, by the way.
~jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, these are great, Keep doing them! I think it is incredibly generous of you and your submitters to post these for our benefit. Love the audio format too, by the way.<br />
~jon</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Rinzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Rinzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Janet

In some cases a chapter outline and no fewer than two chapters -- first and last -- can attract the attention of an agent who receives an author&#039;s first novel, especially in the mystery, sci-fi, or romance genre. Less so with literary novels, and overall it&#039;s better, I think, to have the entire book completed.

If you do have a completed novel, not all of the other elements of a proposal are necessary, but a hook and platform are advisable.


Good luck,


Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Janet</p>
<p>In some cases a chapter outline and no fewer than two chapters &#8212; first and last &#8212; can attract the attention of an agent who receives an author&#8217;s first novel, especially in the mystery, sci-fi, or romance genre. Less so with literary novels, and overall it&#8217;s better, I think, to have the entire book completed.</p>
<p>If you do have a completed novel, not all of the other elements of a proposal are necessary, but a hook and platform are advisable.</p>
<p>Good luck,</p>
<p>Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Janet M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful, informative series and love the audio format. 

I&#039;m curious though, my understanding is that agents, publishers don&#039;t really look at novels until the manuscript is complete. Is it true they can be sold (like non-fiction) in proposal form. 

Or is it that after it&#039;s written, they need to have a strong proposal? Look forward to more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful, informative series and love the audio format. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious though, my understanding is that agents, publishers don&#8217;t really look at novels until the manuscript is complete. Is it true they can be sold (like non-fiction) in proposal form. </p>
<p>Or is it that after it&#8217;s written, they need to have a strong proposal? Look forward to more.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Core</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Core</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan, keep this idea going.  This critique idea is essential for aspiring authors, and especially valuable coming from you.

If it is not a conflict of interest for you, I would love to see more critiques of prescriptive non-fiction props.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, keep this idea going.  This critique idea is essential for aspiring authors, and especially valuable coming from you.</p>
<p>If it is not a conflict of interest for you, I would love to see more critiques of prescriptive non-fiction props.</p>
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		<title>By: bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alan,
This was just great. Thank you.
Any future critique on novels that excite you and why would be right up my alley on projects I am keenly listening for
in this series.
But ALL of these are helpful and very generous of you to share with us.

(PS I really loved the idea of the biography–the second project– being a novel. I think it would be a great read from the inside and then, the author could make up why the healer disappeared, which is VERY intriguing to me!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan,<br />
This was just great. Thank you.<br />
Any future critique on novels that excite you and why would be right up my alley on projects I am keenly listening for<br />
in this series.<br />
But ALL of these are helpful and very generous of you to share with us.</p>
<p>(PS I really loved the idea of the biography–the second project– being a novel. I think it would be a great read from the inside and then, the author could make up why the healer disappeared, which is VERY intriguing to me!)</p>
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